Figures show that a 444 Marlin with a 240 grain bullet loaded to 2,400 feet per second (in a 7.5 pound rifle) only has a recoil of 23.3 pounds. Shown figures for a 45-70 with a 300 grain bullet loaded to 1,800 feel per second (in a 7.0 pound rifle) is 23.9 pounds, while a 400 grain bullet at 1,330 feet per second is only 18.7 pounds.Next rifle - big bore. 444 vs 45-70 vs 450 bushmaster. ... Marlin League Member No. 24 Team Old Pharts Member No. 88 Team ANZMO Member No. 7. Reactions: hogbear, ... 336 The 45/70 Govt. The .35 Remington New Member Introductions 1894. Top Contributors this Month View All45-70 Govt: Capacity: 5+1: Stock: Black Laminate: Barrel Length: 16.17" MSRP: $1,499.00: Availability: Limited Availability: ... Ruger offers consumers almost 800 variations of more than 40 product lines, across both the Ruger and Marlin brands. For almost 75 years, Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. has been a model of corporate and community ...http://www.wileyoutdoorproducts.com/website/2009/12/expert-video-using-the-bdc-reticle-on-a-45-70-govt-or-444-marlin/ - Expert …The .444 Marlin was born more than 90 years after the .45-70. Designed for the Marlin lever-action rifle, the .444 is basically a stretched-out .44 Magnum cartridge. In its heyday, the .444 Marlin was the most powerful lever-action cartridge around. However, with the rise of bolt-action rifles, the .444 faded into the background and was nearly ...The .45-70 uses a straight-walled, rimmed case measuring 2.105 inches, and maintains an overall length of 2.550 inches. The 444 Marlin uses a straight-walled, rimmed case measuring 2.225 inches, and maintains an overall length of 2.550 except in the case of the LeveRevolution (FTX) where the case length is 2.065 and maintains the overall length ...The .444 Marlin is essentially a deer rifle that can be used on black bear. It uses .429 bullets (same as the .44 Mag). The .450 Marlin is like a 45-70 loaded to red line - into the lower end of the .458 Winchester power level. Good for real big stuff and most African game. Has abundant recoil, though.The .45-70 vs. .444 Marlin. Like. Comment. Share. ... All are good but still think .45 LC in ROL is faster and hits harder with more energy and store bought commonly. 4y. William Martin. 45/70 Rules. 4y. View more comments.Hello folks...new to this forum and will be new to reloading. I'm trying to decide whether to purchase a .444 Marlin or a .45-70 Gov't Marlin lever gun. Part of my decision will be based on availibility /cost of relaoding supplies...so I am interested to hear your opinions. Both calibers seem...Seeing the need and utility of big bore cartridges, Marlin introduced the 444 Marlin to fill that gap. Although the 444 Marlin was essentially a modified 44 Remington Magnum …The Government Agencies Channel has articles on agencies of the government and how they operate. Learn more in the Government Agencies Channel. Advertisement Agencies are various o...Marlin Rifles, Shotguns & Other Marlins. The 45/70 Govt. Follow Forum Create Thread Filters ... The 45/70 Govt. 241.4K posts 46.8M viewsThere were many, including the 45-70 and 444 Marlin. Now Ohio just says any straight cartridge .357 to .50. That is the most common sense law. No conservation officer should be expected to measure cartridge length, etc. To answer your question, yes, the 45-70 can be shortened to legally use.As a matter of fact, in the rifle you mentioned with 18.5" barrel, the .450 will deliver pretty much full blown 45-70 LE performance from that short barrel, and be about 200 FPS faster than the 45-70 shooting the same factory bullet weight in the same barrel length and carrying 500 FPE more as well. I call that significant.Marlin Firearms made big news recently by launching its first rifle since being acquired in 2020 by Sturm, Ruger, and Company: the Marlin Model 1895 SBL chambered in the potent .45-70 Govt., and manufactured in Mayodan, North Carolina. Ruger, as was widely reported, purchased Marlin after the Remington Outdoor …Jun 5, 2007 · While the .444 is a good round, and has a greater versatility than it used to have, it still has a long way to go to match the .45-70. In a modern rifle, the .45-70 can be loaded from original black powder levels up to a maximum that competes with magnum rounds intended for dangerous African game. Not every rifle is capable of utilizing the ... The 45/70 Govt. Marlin (JM) 1895SS 45-70 price check ... 45-70, 35, 444, 30-30, 32Spl, Win, Wheelguns & Bangin' Blackhawks. Reactions ... a decent 1895SS can run between $650 to $800. Of course, JM Marlin are like finding a needle in a haystack and their prices are at a premium. Jack . All that the South has ever desired was that the …While the .444 is a good round, and has a greater versatility than it used to have, it still has a long way to go to match the .45-70. In a modern rifle, the .45-70 can …Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.This hard-hitting big-bore rifle will shoot a lighter bullet, faster, with a flatter trajectory, more energy (inside 200 yards) and with less recoil than a 45-70 Govt. The 444 Marlin is perfect for medium-sized, thin-skinned game like whitetail deer all the way up to the big brutes like moose and elk. 22″ barrel Ballard rifling. 1:20″ twist ...Dec 6, 2021 ... Cool guns! I'm a huge fan of .44 carbines. More power than a .357 and higher capacity and less recoil than a .45-70.Oct 18, 2007 ... "As you can see,the 45-70 shoots as flat as the 444 Marlin with a 300 grain bullet compared to a 270 grain bullet in the 444 which gives the 45- ...When we signed up with MDD Hosting, we didn't expect to face one of the fastest hosting providers. But how good are their customer support and uptime? Decent 444 ms Load Time, but ...Feb 20, 2022 ... Comments66 ; 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt. Ron Spomer Outdoors · 213K views ; Unleashing The Power Of The Marlin 444: Taking Down Targets At 200 Yards ...Marlin Rifles, Shotguns & Other Marlins. The 45/70 Govt. .45-70 vs .450 Marlin ...This Cerakote-finished 19-inch barreled take on Winchester’s Model 71 is nothing if not eye-catching. The original M71 (1935-58) was Winchester’s final modernized take on the 1886 platform. Unlike the original’s .348 Win. chambering, the Boarbuster can be had in .444 Marlin and .45-70, both far easier to obtain these days than .348 ammo.2905 posts · Joined 2009. #13 · Oct 1, 2013. My 1895ABL 45-70 is sighted in dead on at 50 yards with 325 Leverevolution, but virtually all my deer hunting is done at less than 100 yards, and 80% at 50 yards or less. Life/Endowment member NRA--New York State Rifle and Pistol Association Member. Semper Fi.See full list on ammunitiondepot.com The government job market is competitive and the application process can be daunting. Applying for a government job online can be a great way to get your foot in the door, but it’s...Well, if I'm not entirely mistaken, the model 1895 was introduced in 1895 or 1896 in a number of potent BP calibers, including the .45-70. Other than the square bolt, it looks a great deal like the 1895 that was re-introduced in 1970 and the 444. So some might contend that the 1895 preceeded the 444 by about 70 years, although absent for a time ...The Power. The 444 Marlin is a capable cartridge; inside 200 yards, no game animal in North America is safe. It’s comparable to the .45-70 Govt, seen here on the right. Kurt Martonik/Free Range American. The initial 444 Marlin load brought to Remington used a 240-grain .44 Magnum pistol bullet.The Remington Core-Lokt .45-70 Gov’t 405 grain SP and Barnes VOR-TX .45-70 Gov’t 300 grain TSX FN was a given because this is, after all, a Marlin. Hornady LEVERevolution .45-70 Gov’t 325 grain FTX are another must-have for levers and are, in fact, seriously badass rounds for hunting.What are the advantages of a .45-70 caliber rifle? The .45-70 caliber offers superior stopping power, making it ideal for hunting, especially in brush or dense forest where shots may be taken at close range. Can a .45-70 rifle also shoot .45-70 Govt. and .45-70-405 ammo?With the .45-70 all deer fell where they were hit. I attributed the difference to the size and shape of the .458” Hornady 300 HP with its broad flat nose versus the much smaller meplat on the .375s. Impact velocities were very close. Recoil was somewhat greater with the .45-70.Oct 14, 2019 ... Comments57 ; Unveiling The Hidden Gem: The Powerful Marlin .444 Rifle. River's Gun Kingdom · 44K views ; 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt. Ron Spomer ....45/70 govt vs. .444 marlin . Author Message; stumpgrinder. MMT 1000 Club. Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:04 pm Posts: 1438 .45/70 govt vs. .444 marlin. The gun will be a break action to be used during primitive weapons deer season only. I hunt open marsh and need to be able to shoot 200 yds. accurately, more would be even nicer..444 Marlin .450 Marlin .45-70 Govt .460 S&W .358 Winchester .45 Long Colt .375 Winchester .40 S&W .45 Raptor .500 S&W .450 Bushmaster Share Add a Comment. Sort by: ... .35 whelen is a magnum compared to the .350. I have a Winchester model 70 rebarreled to .35 Whelen, in a 20” barrel configuration that I had dreamed of for years. ...As energy costs continue to rise, many homeowners are looking for ways to reduce their energy bills. One of the most effective ways to do this is by taking advantage of government ...The .444 Marlin is essentially a deer rifle that can be used on black bear. It uses .429 bullets (same as the .44 Mag). The .450 Marlin is like a 45-70 loaded to red line - into the lower end of the .458 Winchester power level. Good for real big stuff and most African game. Has abundant recoil, though.That being said I own a 444s and 1895 Gs in .45-70. IMO the .444 has a sharper, quicker recoil and the .45-70 has a longer push to it if that makes sense. ... I've shot a 338 Win. mag that didn't touch the 45-70 for recoil in the light Marlin 1895. I sold my 1895, ... 336 The 45/70 Govt. The .35 Remington New Member Introductions 1894.Aug 30, 2021 · 45-70 Gov vs 450 Trajectory. Overall, the 45-70 is a flatter shooting cartridge. However, both of them drop considerably (when compared to the flattest-shooting of those currently tested, the 444 Marlin). At 200 yards the .45-70 shot with the above-mentioned stats, the drop is 6.5″. Also not shown here, is that the most popular weight 45-70 ... Feb 23, 2024 ... Comments10 · 5 Best Cartridges for Long Range Shooting · 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt.The local gun show is coming up in March and I was thinking it might be time for a big bore Marlin. To date, I'd thought that it should be an 1895 of some configuration in .45-70, but after checking Hawks ballistics and recoil webpages, it seems that the .444 puts out more energy with a good...Jul 20, 2021 · 444 Marlin VS 45-70 Ballistics. Out of a 24″ barrel with a 160 yard zero, and a 265 grain projectile 444 Marlin has a muzzle velocity of 2,325 feet per second with 3,181 pound feet of energy. At 100 yards bullet velocity slows to 1,971, with 2,286 pounds of energy. Comparatively, out of a 24″ barrel with a 142 yard zero and a 325 grain ... Comparison. 444 Marlin Vs 450 Marlin: A Showdown of Raw Power. By Nahid July 25, 2023. The 444 marlin and the 450 marlin are two powerful rifle …The Old Testament begins with the creation of Adam and Eve around 4000 B.C. and ends when Nehemiah rebuilds the wall in Jerusalem in 444 B.C. Significant figures in the Old Testame...Dec 22, 2009 · Figures show that a 444 Marlin with a 240 grain bullet loaded to 2,400 feet per second (in a 7.5 pound rifle) only has a recoil of 23.3 pounds. Shown figures for a 45-70 with a 300 grain bullet loaded to 1,800 feel per second (in a 7.0 pound rifle) is 23.9 pounds, while a 400 grain bullet at 1,330 feet per second is only 18.7 pounds. 7340 posts · Joined 2009. #16 · Apr 23, 2010. BCSteve said: "The .375 Winchester can shoot bullets that weigh 264 gr. That's a step up in performance from the .444 Marlin that is usually loaded with short, 240 gr bullets intended for handguns". That's a quote from gun writer John Haviland from the latest Rifle magzine on the .375 Winchester.Now the 444 Marlin compared to the 45/70 Government +P is an all together different story. In a strong action, like the Marlin, the 45/70+P can (and is by experts like Grizz) be loaded to pressures far in excess of the 45/70 Government and can result in power way over and above anything that can be expected from the 444 Marlin.Yes, the .444 Marlin is A GOOD CHOICE for grizzly or brown bear hunting, under average conditions, from a mid-range distance, with a medium grain expanding bullet, and with correct shot placement. Let’s look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. Assumption.Sep 21, 2014 · i owned a 45-70(nef), it was ok. it knocked a few deer over and at 100yds the 405gr remington did 2.5" at three shots. i have a 444 marlin on the way, tc encore with 23" MGM heavy factory barrel, annd i can't wait. 265gr hornady fp with a load of h4198 or rel7 will def. do the deer/black bear up. next year, there's a gas check 280-325gr and a light load of trail boss and 240gr lead bullets too. Video showing the two guns side by side and the pro's & con's of eachEither gun has it's function both would take big game at 100 yard rangethey may reach ou...Oct 27, 2019 · We may earn a commission for products purchased through links on this page While the .444 is a good round, and has a greater versatility than it used to have, it still has a long way to go to match the .45-70. In a modern rifle, the .45-70 can be loaded from original black powder levels up to a maximum that competes with magnum rounds intended for dangerous African game. Not every rifle is capable of utilizing the ...In comparison, a 45 70, zeroed at 142 yards, when used with a 325-grain bullet, has a muzzle velocity of 2,050 ft. per second and muzzle energy of 3033 pounds. At 100 yards, its velocity becomes 1,730 feet per second, and energy reduces to 2,159 pound-feet. You can see that 444 Marlin is 300 fps faster than 45 70.45-70 Gov vs 450 Marlin Trajectory. These two cartridges have roughly the same trajectory. At some point between 200 and 300 yards is where a major shift takes place, with the 450 Marlin winning. At 300 yards the 45-70 drops 27.8 inches, while the 450 Marlin drops less at 21.3 inches.Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic disorder of the chromosomes affecting males. There is no cure for this condition and it requires lifelong management. At publication, there are no...The 45/70 Govt. 50 Alaskan Vs. 45/70. Jump to ... In light 300's I can get 2200fps in a 26 inch 45/70 vs 2600 fps in a 26 inch 50 alaskan. As far as cost goes, for play I use a Lee cast 500 grain flat nose-- cost is the same as cast for a 500 grain 45/70. ... My preference was the .444 Marlin, cheaper than the 50 and more powerful than the 45/ ...Comparatively, out of a 24″ barrel with a 142 yard zero and a 325 grain bullet, the 45-70 GOVT has a muzzle velocity of 2,050 with 3,033 pounds of energy. At 100 yards velocity slows to 1,730 feet per second and energy drops to 2,159 pound feet. 444 Marlin VS 45-70 Trajectory.For the 45-70 Aficionado's. in this forum in the entire site. Advanced Search ... Marlin Rifles, Shotguns & Other Marlins. The 45/70 Govt. Follow Forum Create Thread ... The 45/70 Govt. 241.4K posts 46.8M views For the 45-70 Aficionado's Show Less . Join Community Grow ...May 5, 2023 · In-depth Look at the 444 Marlin. The 444 Marlin was introduced in 1964 by Marlin Firearms Company as a heavy-hitting, lever-action rifle cartridge. The cartridge was designed to be a longer-range alternative to the 45-70 Government cartridge, with similar bullet weights but higher velocities. The 444 will throw a 240gr bullet at 2400 fps. The 45-70 can throw a 250gr bullet at 2400 fps. So they're potentially very similar with lighter bullets. But for heavy bullets, there's a big difference. Heavier bullets for both calibers need to be seated deeper into the cases, reducing the available space for powder. However, the Remington Managed Recoil .30-30 125 grain/2175 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.9) and .357 Magnum (Rifle) 158 grain/1830 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.7) loads are probably better guides to the minimum practical killing power for Class 2 game with more modern cartridges. Jul 20, 2023 ... Comments649 · 450 BM vs 458 Socom vs 50 Beo: Worse Than Expected · 300 Blackout vs 7.62x39: Never Would've Guessed · 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 ...Apr 20, 2023 · In .375 they are all too long: the 38-55 Winchester, 375 Winchester. In 44-caliber there is the weak 44-40 Winchester that doesn’t put out even 700 f-p of energy at the muzzle! The 444 Marlin, 45-70 Govt., and 450 Marlin are all too long, as are the dangerous game cartridges 458 Win. Mag. and 458 Lott. Sep 21, 2014 · i owned a 45-70(nef), it was ok. it knocked a few deer over and at 100yds the 405gr remington did 2.5" at three shots. i have a 444 marlin on the way, tc encore with 23" MGM heavy factory barrel, annd i can't wait. 265gr hornady fp with a load of h4198 or rel7 will def. do the deer/black bear up. next year, there's a gas check 280-325gr and a light load of trail boss and 240gr lead bullets too. The increased velocity on bullets of the same weight means that the .450 Marlin is going to hit a bit harder than the .45-70 Government as well. Out of the muzzle, it’s moving with an impressive 540 ft-lbs more energy than the .45-70 Government. At 100 yards, that advantage holds strong at 411 ft-lbs. By 300 yards, the advantage narrows to ... 220combat. 5539 posts · Joined 2008. #2 · Mar 23, 2011. The 45-70 is the most powerful of these cartridges, and as you stated it does cost the most. If you are a handloader the 45-70 is great. Otherwise, the 44 mag or 45 Colt are very close to each other, especially in a carbine. Also, feel free to head over to the new members area and ...Dec 20, 2018 · The 265-grain .444 Marlin load has a muzzle velocity that is almost 300 fps faster than the 325-grain .45-70 load, it generates more energy out to 300 yards and, when sighted in three inches high at 100 yards, drops three inches less at 200 yards than the .45-70. The 45-70 was made for the United States government in 1873 to replace its predecessor the 50-70. The cartridge was soon adopted by sportsmen around the world for big game hunting. ... 35 Whellen, heavy 30-06 ammo (200+ grains), 444 Marlin, 45-70, 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf are all good for hunting in thick brush.Also Read: 444 marlin vs 45 70 . 45-70 vs. 308 Winchester: Pros and Cons. 45-70 Pros. Bone crushing power; Rifles chambered are easy to carry; ... What is the effective range of a 45 70 government? The effective range of a 45-70 is 150 yards. It can also shoot at longer ranges, but it is challenging to shoot at longer ranges with a 45-70.The release of the Ruger-made Marlin 1895 SBL .45-70 Gov’t rifle was very well received, and Marlin is following that up with the 1895 Trapper. It has the same chambering, satin stainless finish and gray laminate stock as the SBL, but the Trapper version has a shorter, 16.1-inch barrel. Its barrel is cold hammer forged out of 410 …There were many, including the 45-70 and 444 Marlin. Now Ohio just says any straight cartridge .357 to .50. That is the most common sense law. No conservation officer should be expected to measure cartridge length, etc. To answer your question, yes, the 45-70 can be shortened to legally use.In light 300's I can get 2200fps in a 26 inch 45/70 vs 2600 fps in a 26 inch 50 alaskan. As far as cost goes, for play I use a Lee cast 500 grain flat nose-- cost is the same as cast for a 500 grain 45/70. For serious use, Barnes, Woodleigh or Alaska Bullet works bullets all run about $1.00 a shot in either 45 or 50 caliber.The local gun show is coming up in March and I was thinking it might be time for a big bore Marlin. To date, I'd thought that it should be an 1895 of some configuration in .45-70, but after checking Hawks ballistics and recoil webpages, it seems that the .444 puts out more energy with a good...The .45-70 vs. .444 Marlin. Like. Comment. Share. ... All are good but still think .45 LC in ROL is faster and hits harder with more energy and store bought commonly. 4y. William Martin. 45/70 Rules. 4y. View more comments. Black stock painted with black webbing. Big Loop Lever. Paracord wrapped lever. Overall Length: 34.5″. Approximate Weight: 7.65lbs. Introducing the new Marlin Dark Series. The speed and accuracy of Marlin lever actions blacked-out and tricked out for the modern hunter. The new Dark Series. The comparisons made between the .444 and the .45-70 always seem to be done using bullets of equal weights. The problem in that lies with, that for true comparison, bullets of comparable weight to caliber ratios, i.e. sectional densities, must be compared.When we signed up with MDD Hosting, we didn't expect to face one of the fastest hosting providers. But how good are their customer support and uptime? Decent 444 ms Load Time, but ...That being said I own a 444s and 1895 Gs in .45-70. IMO the .444 has a sharper, quicker recoil and the .45-70 has a longer push to it if that makes sense. ... I've shot a 338 Win. mag that didn't touch the 45-70 for recoil in the light Marlin 1895. I sold my 1895, ... 336 The 45/70 Govt. The .35 Remington New Member Introductions 1894.45-70 Govt: Capacity: 6+1: Stock: Gray Laminate: Barrel Length: 19.10" MSRP: $1,529.00: ... Marlin Firearms are manufactured by Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. is one of the nation's leading manufacturers of rugged, reliable firearms for the commercial sporting market. With products made in America, Ruger offers consumers ...The 38-55 is a plesant shooting round. It shines with 250-275 grain bullets. Reloading needs will vary from one rifle to another. My interest is in the target shooting, but whitetails and even black bear would be quite within it's realm. The 45-70, is bigger. It takes more powder.Oct 23, 2019 · Aug 15, 2016. 1,805. 63. I have to agree with Guy, and others on here, and say there isn't much difference between the 2. They both get around the same velocities with the same bullet weights. The only difference between either, of course, is the .429 bore for the 444, or the .458 bore for the .45-70. Now the 444 Marlin compared to the 45/70 Government +P is an all together different story. In a strong action, like the Marlin, the 45/70+P can (and is by experts like Grizz) be loaded to pressures far in excess of the 45/70 Government and can result in power way over and above anything that can be expected from the 444 Marlin.Overall, the 444 Marlin is a slightly flatter shooting cartridge than the 450 Bushmaster is. At 150 yards the 444 drops 2.4 inches, whereas the Bushmaster drops about 2.9 inches. At 300 yards, drop is 15.8″ and 18.8″ respectively. The 444 Marlin drops only slightly less than the 450 Bushmaster and is therefore flatter shooting.PA Hunter Discussion starter. 40 posts · Joined 2008. #1 · Jun 29, 2009. My favorite load for my 45-70 has been to use Sierra 300 gn JHP, over 48.7 gns of IMR4198,and CCI 200 primers: (2100 fps per the Hornady manual): I get great accuracy with these, and great knock down power. I am now out of the IMR4198, and unable to locate any ,,,,45-70 Govt: Capacity: 5+1: Stock: Nylon Reinforced Polymer: Barrel Length: 16.17" MSRP: $1,429.00: Availability: Limited Availability: ... Ruger offers consumers almost 800 variations of more than 40 product lines, across both the Ruger and Marlin brands. For almost 75 years, Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. has been a model of corporate and community ...
The .45-70 vs. .444 Marlin. Like. Comment. Share. ... All are good but still think .45 LC in ROL is faster and hits harder with more energy and store bought commonly. 4y.. Kroger frankfort ky
Seeing the need and utility of big bore cartridges, Marlin introduced the 444 Marlin to fill that gap. Although the 444 Marlin was essentially a modified 44 Remington Magnum …Marlin Rifles, Shotguns & Other Marlins. The 45/70 Govt. Follow Forum Create Thread Filters ... The 45/70 Govt. 241.4K posts 46.8M viewsApr 30, 2011 · TEAM 444 # 595. TEAM ANZMO #51 Marlin 336C 30-30. Marlin 444S. Investarms Hawken .50 cal BP. ... The only thing that rocks about the Government....is the 45/70 ... Think about the 444, only two models left, the SS and XLR, in they would have keep the outfitter it would have helped. the 45-70 has the guide gun, SS, XLR and the Cowboy, plus a stainless guide gun way more to choose from, …Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely. In this video, I compare the 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt to see once and for all who the winner...Trickymissfit said: Somewhere in the back of my safe is a 30-30 lever gun that's unfired! I have two .444's and a .450. All Marlins. The 45-70 never done much for me, but if you like them then so be it. The .444 shoots much flatter than most folks realize. Will drop a 300+lb. boar dead in his tracks erffortlessly.Now the 444 Marlin compared to the 45/70 Government +P is an all together different story. In a strong action, like the Marlin, the 45/70+P can (and is by experts like Grizz) be loaded to pressures far in excess of the 45/70 Government and can result in power way over and above anything that can be expected from the 444 Marlin.300 1156/1039 1156/1039 1266/943. the bullet grains use was a 350gr. for the 450 and 45/70 the 444 used a 265gr. I put this up because some people think the 444 is good for brown bear I dont think so with the lighter bullet it shoots thats the one ting about that round that falls short of either the 45/70 or 450. Like.Typical 45-70 ballistics with modern factory ammo are a 300gr bullet at 2,350fps (3,678 ft-lbs), a 325gr bullet at 2,050fps (3,032 ft-lbs), and a 405gr bullet at 1,330fps (1,591 ft-lbs). The .45-70 Govt is very effective out to around 150 yards with minimal bullet drop, but it’s capable of great accuracy and longer range shooting as well.The Model 444 is based on a 336 action modified to handle the .444 Marlin cartridge. The .444 case is fatter (0.469" compared to 0.422" base diameter) than the .30-30 case and has a 0.012" larger diameter rim; the .444 case is also 0.13" longer. ... The new Model 1895 appeared in 1972, chambered for the .45-70 Government cartridge. Today the ... Here is how to identify a Ruger-made, Marlin® Model 1895™ SBL: Location of manufacture on the barrel reads "Mayodan, NC." New "RP" proof mark located on the left side of the firearm. Ruger-made Marlin® rifles begin with the serial prefix of "RM." Marlin Horse and Rider logo laser engraved on the grip. With the .45-70 all deer fell where they were hit. I attributed the difference to the size and shape of the .458” Hornady 300 HP with its broad flat nose versus the much smaller meplat on the .375s. Impact velocities were very close. Recoil was somewhat greater with the .45-70.The .44 Rem. Mag., .357 Mag., .454 Casull, .460 S&W Mag., and .500 S&W Mag. were developed for pistols but are also chambered in long guns. The .45-70 Govt. and the .444 Marlin are old-school lever gun cartridges. The .450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend were released in the last 15 years and can be found in semi-auto and bolt-action rifles..45-70 Government VS.444 Marlin. Head to Head Comparison.45-70 GovernmentThink about the 444, only two models left, the SS and XLR, in they would have keep the outfitter it would have helped. the 45-70 has the guide gun, SS, XLR and the Cowboy, plus a stainless guide gun way more to choose from, …The Marlin 1895, now offered by Ruger, is a major step forward in lever-action rifle construction and performance. The wind was a full value (right to left in this case) and save for its rainbow trajectory the performance profile of the .45-70 is very predictable in the area of wind drift. About all I can say is Indian fighters and buffalo ....